Away For 9 Months - How Bad Are My Units Today?

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  1. KrisL

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    Hi everyone. I logged into Brave Frontier this week for the first time since July/August of last year (whenever Bestie's batch came to global). I was no expert before I left, and now am way behind. I've been doing some reading to try and catch up, but it's a bit overwhelming trying to find everything that's new and figure out if/how my old units hold up in the current meta. I'd very much appreciate it if you'd look over my units list and let me know who is still useful, who I should evolve and maybe what new units I should keep an eye out for in future summoning events. The only thing I've done so far is evolving my Shera to 7 * because she was always such a good mitigator for me that I felt she deserved it. :lol: Thanks in advance for any feedback you have for me! :)

    :fire: 7* L Bestie
    :fire: 7* G Claire
    :fire: 7* B Lava
    :fire: 7* B Ruby
    :fire: 6* B Michele
    :fire: 6* A Fiora
    :fire: 5* A Aisha
    :fire: 5* O Alpha
    :fire: 5* G Fiora
    :fire: 5* L Fiora
    :fire: 5* A Grandt
    :fire: 5* L Michele
    :fire: 5* L Ramna
    :fire: 5* L Regrard
    :fire: 5* G Ruby
    :fire: 5* B Ultor
    :fire: 4* A Arus
    :fire: 4* B Ciara
    :fire: 4* A Darvanshel
    :fire: 4* L Dia
    :fire: 4* G Farlon
    :fire: 4* L Freya
    :fire: 4* B Lancia
    :fire: 4* A Nick
    :fire: 4* L Ulkina
    :fire: 4* G Vanberk
    :fire: 2* A Vargas

    :water: 7* A Colt
    :water: 7* L Elimo
    :water: 7* G Selena
    :water: 7* L Tridon
    :water: 5* L Noah
    :water: 5* G Rubeus
    :water: 5* A Tazer
    :water: 5* A Tesla
    :water: 4* B Eliza
    :water: 4* G Eve
    :water: 4* G Jack
    :water: 4* G Kuhla
    :water: 4* B Mariudeth
    :water: 4* A Reeze
    :water: 4* G Rigness
    :water: 4* L Sergio
    :water: 2* L Selena

    :earth: 7* A Quaid
    :earth: 7* L Tora
    :earth: 6* G Rosetta
    :earth: 5* B Douglas
    :earth: 5* G Elaina
    :earth: 5* L Eltri
    :earth: 5* G Faris
    :earth: 5* G Luly
    :earth: 5* A Oguro
    :earth: 5* A Quaid
    :earth: 5* A Quaid
    :earth: 5* B Quaid
    :earth: 5* G Rosetta
    :earth: 5* G Toutetsu
    :earth: 5* G Zelnite
    :earth: 4* A Andaria
    :earth: 4* A Dilma
    :earth: 4* L Fang
    :earth: 4* G Lidith
    :earth: 4* L Nalmika
    :earth: 4* G Ophelia
    :earth: 4* L Paula
    :earth: 4* B Rosetta
    :earth: 4* A Tia
    :earth: 4* B Zelnite
    :earth: 3* G Lance
    :earth: 3* A Lario
    :earth: 2* A Lario

    :thunder: 7* A Diana
    :thunder: 7* G Deimos
    :thunder: 7* A Shera
    :thunder: 7* O Rize
    :thunder: 6* L Orna
    :thunder: 6* B Rize (Was in the process of leveling her to replace my 7* Oracle)
    :thunder: 5* G Balgran
    :thunder: 5* A Diana
    :thunder: 5* B Diana
    :thunder: 5* A Rowgen
    :thunder: 5* A Shera
    :thunder: 4* L Lodin
    :thunder: 4* B Uda
    :thunder: 4* A Zedus
    :thunder: 4* G Zele
    :thunder: 3* L Amy
    :thunder: 3* B Loch

    :light: 7* G Rinon
    :light: 7* A Sefia
    :light: 6* A Melchio
    :light: 5* A Fadahl
    :light: 5* G Lilith II
    :light: 5* L Narza
    :light: 5* L Sefia
    :light: 4* L Sefia
    :light: 4* A Sola
    :light: 4* G Themis
    :light: 4* B Yujeh
    :light: 4* A Zellha
    :light: 2* B Atro

    :dark: 7* A Aaron
    :dark: 7* L Feeva
    :dark: 7* A Kikuri
    :dark: 7* G Zenia
    :dark: 6* L Elza
    :dark: 6* A Lunaris
    :dark: 6* B Magress
    :dark: 6* B Mifune
    :dark: 6* B Mifune
    :dark: 5* A Aaron
    :dark: 5* L Feeva
    :dark: 5* L Feeva
    :dark: 5* O Hadaron
    :dark: 5* A Ivris
    :dark: 5* A Semira
    :dark: 5* B Zergel
    :dark: 4* G Alice
    :dark: 4* L Ardin
    :dark: 4* G Duel-GX
    :dark: 4* L Iidor
    :dark: 4* L Kuda
    :dark: 4* A Lemia
    :dark: 4* B Lily Matah
    :dark: 4* L Madia
    :dark: 4* G Shida
    :dark: 2* B Magress
    :dark: 2* G Magress
    :dark: 2* O Mifune
     
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    FIRE
    - GOOD: :fire:Bestie, Michele, Ultor, Ciara, Darvanshel, Arus, Farlon, Vargas
    are either still fine, or will become good with future upcoming evolutions.
    - OK: :fire:Ruby, :Claire, Lava, Alpha, Grandt, Regrard are 7* but outclassed by newer units, though may have niche use in mono element builds. Bear in mind that mono element is now more important again because the upcoming omni evolution starters (Vargas, Eze, Selena, etc.) are very strong, plus we have some mono content (e.g. Frontier Gate).
    - Claire does have the problem that she potentially overlaps with a spark-customised omni Vargas, but you could simply...not customise Vargas that way. Of course if you use Claire/Colt in a mixed element squad that's fine. Ruby is still often used as a spark blanket for spark squads.
    - other fire units currently have no 7* form, they max at 6* at best. Unknown if they will get upgrades. Some probably will. But we don't know.

    WATER
    - GOOD: :water:Elimo, Selena, Tridon, Reeze
    are still fine. Elimo has slipped out of meta somewhat, but Elimo's useful for low BB cost and non-damaging mitigation in some setups.
    - OK: :water:Tesla, Colt, Rubeus, Tazer - are 7* but outclassed, though again they may have use in mono water. Colt pairs with Claire in mixed element, obviously.
    - MEH: other water units have no 7* form.

    EARTH
    - GOOD: :earth:Rosetta, Eltri, Zelnite, Andaria, Ophelia, Lance
    are fine or have upgrades coming.
    - OK: :earth:Quaid, Tora, Elaina, Luly, Oguro, Toutetsu are 7* but outclassed, though in Quaid and Tora's case you may still want them in builds for element add and status inflict. Luly and Toutetsu, Oguro, are fairly decent actually, just that there's a lot of competition for their niches.
    - MEH: other earth units - you know the drill by now.

    THUNDER
    - GOOD: :thunder:Deimos, Shera, Rize, Orna, Zedus,
    - OK: :thunder:Diana, Balgran, Loch
    - Diana and Balgran are actually fine, just lots of competition.
    - MEH: other thunder units ...

    LIGHT
    - GOOD: :light:Lilith, Atro
    - OK: :light:Rinon, Sefia, Melchio, Fadahl
    - MEH:
    do I need to type this by now

    DARK
    - GOOD: :dark:Elza, Magress, Zenia, Hadaron, Semira, Kuda, Shida
    - OK: :dark:Aaron, Feeva, Lunaris, Kikuri, Ivris, Alice,
    - MEH:
    ...

    FUTURE SUMMONING EVENTS:
    - the gates are currently going through a Divine Summon, regular Summon promotion cycle with higher rates for featured units, many of whom are good - the choices for featured units have been all very nice.
    - we currently have a new limited-time Global Exclusive up in the gate, Juno-Seto, who has been promised to receive an Omni evolution in the future. She's a strong light element mitigator. She has a dark counterpart unit (stats, kit not known yet) who will be released later in April. I consider Juno-Seto worth pulling for, others may disagree.
    - you can get free Unit of Choice for participating in current login event. I'd suggest going for Charla, Allanon if you want general all-round support, maybe Haile if you want an all-purpose mixed element lead, maybe Nyami or Avant if you want Frontier Hunter/crit lead. Or try summoning for 'em if you see rate-ups for 'em in the current event.
    - note that we're staring down the barrel of omni evolutions for Vargas, Selena, Eze, Atro, etc. and they're stronger than rare summon 7*s. And free. Don't have a particular omni? Dungeons will be up to farm them. Have a particular favourite element? You may want to summon or use unit of choice selection to pick up a key role in a certain element, e.g. get a healer, status cure, mitigator to pair with a mono element lead.
     
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    Wow. Thanks so much Acyl. Tons of great feedback and gives me a solid base from which to build on. Really, really appreciate it. ;)
     
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    Had 50 gems sitting on my account, so I went ahead and did some summons this week (10 total). Ended up getting that Juno-Seto that Acyl recommended (she seems pretty great) as well as a Haile, Charla and Avani. The rest of the summons were unremarkable, but from what I can tell, I got 4 really solid units from 10 summons so I'm more than happy with the results.

    Working on getting those 4 (as well as my 4 star Ciara) leveled up and evolved right now. I've got tons of frogs and imps in the stash, but no crystals to level people with. Guess it's time to burn some of these keys.

    Obviously, different squads for different jobs. But my go-to squad when I last played was Zenia lead, Bestie, Tridon, Feeva, Shera. I'm going to try running Haile lead, Avani, Charla, Ciara, Juno-Seto for a while (once they're upgraded) and see how that goes.
     
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    That's actually legitimately a squad which can roll into almost any content in the game and basically do okay, if not fantastically well. It's more of a raid or trial setup, but would work adequately in pretty much every other aspect of the game.

    Haile has one of the best current general-purpose lead skills, in the sense that it's one of the few things that can legitimately be used in every game mode including arena, which is extremely rare. She can even work in most places where BC/HC drop is nerfed for other units, as her BC drop rate buff on lead skill is high, and coupled with BB fill rate buff this lets her effectively get around typical BC drop resistance from bosses. The introduction of omni evos gives her a lot of competition but it remains a very very very solid lead skill in the 7* space, a true all-rounder of durability, damage, and BB gauge maintenance.

    Charla is useful for packing in damage buffs into one slot, plus providing burst heals and status cure if needed. Also grants BB fill when squad is damaged.

    Avani...overlaps a lot with Charla unfortunately, both do spark damage buff and BB fill when squad sparks, though since the spark dmg buff is identical (and high) value there's no real issue. Where they don't overlap is Avani's status inflict on BB, and normal hit increase on SBB. The problem however is that while I am a huge fan of normal hit increase, Haile's lead skill isn't well-suited for normal hit attacking (it mainly increases BB/SBB damage, not normal damage), and a Haile squad ought to have no issues spamming SBB anyway. Avani is a fantastic unit, but you may wish to consider something else for the slot.

    Status inflict can be useful though, there is that. And you certainly can use normal focus fire with Haile lead, it just isn't optimised.

    One word of warning about Tridon now that you have Juno-Seto. Tridon's lead skill is still excellent for damage resistance, but his shield... it used to be his shield was unique, nothing else like it, so we put up with that. But it always had bugs, issues, etc. Now, you have Juno-Seto who casts barrier, this is different mechanically but has a similar net effect of basically being bonus HP. Barrier is essentially better than Tridon's shield. Technically the two stacks, as in Tridon's shield takes damage, then the barrier, I think, then finally your HP. Problem is they interact badly, the shield ends up effectively nerfing the barrier's effectiveness. The release of Juno-Seto, 7* Grahdens, etc. basically made me immediately less keen on Tridon overnight...

    Tridon still has a great lead skill, though.
     
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    What do you recommend running in place of Avani? Maybe someone like Rize for the BB ATK % and Ignore Defense SBB? Or maybe just wait for someone like Selena Omni for the extra durability and stat boost? Even if not a specific unit, do you see an obvious gap where I really need a unit that can do X, Y or Z? I feel like my Arena squad is good for now, so this is leaning more towards trials and raid content. Thanks!

    Edit: Nope. Already get a BB ATK % from Haile. So my Rize idea doesn't look like a good one anymore. Hmm... Looking through my units and it seems that everyone I consider already has what they bring to the table covered (often better) by the others in my squad.

    Do you recommend summoning for Juno's counterpart - Ensa-Taya? Not necessarily because she'd be useful in the above squad (as there's a lot of overlap) but just because she's an exclusive and will be getting an Omni Evo eventually?

    Edit 2: Ok, I went ahead and did a few pulls and got an Ensa-Taya. She looks great and is temping to run, but she has some overlap with Charla (Spark DMG) as well as Haile (BB ATK - although Ensa's is 100% higher than Haile's). Not sure if I can fit her in without having to replace one or two of the others in my squad, but she'll be a go-to sub for sure, as her BB is situational but super useful when you need it. Meh, maybe I'll still run her in that 5th slot until I find something better. *shrug* Open to suggestions for sure. She's definitely getting a spot in my mono-dark arena squad though!
     
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    Rize doesn't do a BB atk buff. The ignore def is also fairly unimportant most of the time. She's basically a nuke.
    Kind of. If you intend to use your proposed squad in RC6 raids, trials, GGC, You would ideally want some status inflict that's more reliable than Avani in that squad slot. Omni Lance, Drevas, Ensa-Taya, Kafka, Isterio, Radia, that sort of thing. Avani can do the job if you spam her BB rather than SBB, but that may not be ideal.

    Squad has no def stack - def buff that works off some other stat, combining with normal def buff from Haile's BB (not SBB). This is probably not a huge lack, and you could get def stack from a friend (e.g. Gazia, Berdette, Mikael, whatever), but it is something you'd want if you intend to maximise durability.
    I see you got her, but...

    For the above squad, she is arguably the best non-lead status inflict unit in the game, assuming you have a sphere to let her grant the status ailments she doesn't typically do (she is ironically a better user of Avani's Vorpal Chainblades sphere than Avani herself). This assumes use of BB rather than SBB. On SBB, she overlaps with Haile for BB atk and Charla for spark, but has high value atk stack which isn't clashing with anything and rivals Rize for nuke value. Would be an excellent choice there, really.

    It's also worth mentioning that her BB - just the BB, not even the SBB - is itself a powerful nuke against a single target, though it can't crit.

    I wouldn't call status inflict 'super-situational' because it is absolutely necessary for RC6 runs, increasingly necessary for trials/GGC, and that's precisely the point of this squad.

    The other thing is that Ensa-Taya's lead skill is excellent, allowing her to potentially replace Haile as lead. You gain tons of damage but sacrifice BB gauge generation. Having made that swap, you can either continue to use Haile within the squad, or take some other unit as a squad member - likely one that does atk/def/rec buff on SBB (your Omni Atro, Deimos would work here) and helps with BB management (again, Omni Atro here).

    The overlap with Charla is a bit harder as you don't have a very elegant way to replace Charla and retain BB gauge fill when squad sparks within the squad along with burst healing and status cure.
     
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    Helpful as always Acyl. Thanks. I think I'm getting back into the swing of things now. Appreciate all of your advice and feedback!
     

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