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  1. War X

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    Hey guys I am new to this game. Well not really but I have never figured out how to optimize my team. I know that there is about 1,070 threads with the same question and the likelihood of help on this matter is slim but if you can help I would appreciate it if you guys could give me a team for the arena, quest, and raid
    Team
    (this is the team I am using right now)
    • :fire: 8* Undaying Flame Avant (leader)
    • :fire: 7* Indomitable Flare Griff
    • :light: 7* Angelic Champion Nadore
    • :dark: 7* Calamity Steel Chrome
    • :earth: 7* Flora Aegis Edea
    Units
    (this are all the units I own at the moment. yes I know I am a hoarder)
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    • 8* Ignis Halcyon Varges
    • 8* Undaying Flame Avant
    • 7* Indomitable Flare Griff
    • 7* Brimstone Emperor Alpha
    • 7* Pyro Archfiend Adel
    • 6* Ember Charm Fiora
    • 6* Inferno Beast Zegar
    • 6* Pyre Aegis Vanberk
    • 6* Raging Nick
    • 6* Defiant God Luther
    • 6* Flame-Tail Lucia
    • 6* Fire Breathing Volarda
    • 6* Kyo Kusanagi
    • 5* Burning Spear Lars
    • 5* Fire Dragoon Ulkina
    • 5* Pyro Spin Ruby
    • 5* Barbatos
    • 4* Meiko
    • 4* Stahn
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    • 7* Colossal Vars
    • 7* Flora Aegis Edea
    • 6* Gaia Bow Lario
    • 6* Guardian Goddess Tia
    • 6* Fatalshot Andaria
    • 6* Maestro Goddess Miku
    • 6* Beast Master Avani
    • 6* Robot Maniac Heins
    • 6* Deity Ruler Lucca
    • 5* Gale Piercing Dion
    • 5* Hermit Wizard Oguro
    • 5* Demon Pike Drevas
    • 5* Royal Dragon Farnil
    • 5* Beryl Edge Quaid
    • 5* Holy Beast Belardo
    • 4* Earthly ll & Mina
    • 4* Huntress Fang
    • 4* Rita
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    • 6* Execrated Fei
    • 6* Massacre God Belfura
    • 6* Skilled Lance Noah
    • 6* Dragon Shell Klaus
    • 5* Frozen Blade Kyle
    • 5* Lance Knight Vernil
    • 5* Ice Warrior Karl
    • 5* Lapis Princess Iris
    • 4* Kaito
    • 4* Rutee
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    • 6* Boltdrive Zedus
    • 6* Lighting Gun Rowgen
    • 6* Sky Mage Rashil
    • 6* Omega Behemoth
    • 5* Thuder God Esna
    • 5* Thunder God Eze
    • 5* Crashing Bolt Rutheon
    • 5* Yellow Dragon Belzeft
    • 4* Vocals Kagamine Rin
    • 4* Arche
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    • 7* Calamity Steel Chrome
    • 6* Netherking Hadaron
    • 6* Shadow Ronin Mifune
    • 6* God Eater Lira
    • 6* Unholy Magress
    • 6* Nebula Pearl Ivris
    • 6* Hell Keep Alice
    • 6* Demon God Borgeus
    • 6* Blade Master Zergel
    • 6* Dark Deemo and The Girl
    • 6* Wicked Demon Jade
    • 5* Shadow Blade Zenia
    • 5* Mysterious Knight Zeal
    • 5* Cursed Sword Laberd
    • 5* Dark Snake Kafka
    • 5* Grahdens
    • 5* Inferno Queen Elza
    • 5* Pumqueen Semira
    • 5* Misfortune Feeva
    • 5* Inferno Melina
    • 5* Alley Cat Nyami
    • 5* Onyx Dragon Rugrow
    • 5* Mad God Zebra
    • 5* Blazing Mare
    • 5* Dark Armor Reis
    • 4* Yuri
    • 4* Laevateinn
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    • 7* Angelic Blades Sefia
    • 7* Angelic Champion Nadore
    • 6* Cavorting King Kira
    • 6* Captain Yuuri
    • 6* Honorable Knight Krantz
    • 5* Librarian Allanon
    • 5* Pure Knight Rouche
    • 5* Lunar Queen Alicia
    • 5* Wisdom Angel Azael
    • 5* Holy Defender Rinon
    • 5* Scared Relic Yujeh
    • 5* Robotic Wings Sixgear
    • 5* Dhaos
    • 5* Milla Maxwell
    • 4* Cress
    • 4* Tyrfing
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    Yes I know there is a lot there and that you probably won't look through all of them but any help would be again appreciated.
    If there is any information that I left out that you would need to help me such as if it's a basic, lord, guardian, etc. please ask me for that.
    Also if it helps all these units are upgraded to the max and please don't worry about the unit cost
    I thank you all for your help.
     
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    Yo you need to organize your units so it makes it easier for people to look and try to help you. Most of us look at this list and get really lazy to pick it apart and form some teams for you because its not organized. A way to organize this is by element,what star the monster is at, and type (anima,guardian, etc)
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    Make your list like this and more people will want to help you build squads, organize a team for you, and give you tips.
     
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    Thank you for the help!
     
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    Squad builds assume minimum 6* with SBB unlocked for units, in some cases 7*. If squad build requires 7* for a particular unit this will be noted in brackets.

    ARENA
    :earth:Avani (Lead) + :dark:Semira, :water:Iris, and...two other other units?

    - I'm honestly having trouble seeing what units would work well in arena for the last two slots. .None of your other 7*-capable units jump out at me, though if you're okay with running 6*s then Zergel, Deemo, Mifune, Azael could round out the squad. Otherwise use whatever you prefer.

    QUEST/GENERAL PURPOSE
    :fire:Avant (Lead) + :fire:Griff (7*), :earth:Edea (7*), :dark:Chrome, :light:Nadore (or whatever in last slot, really)

    - this is a damage setup with Avant lead; Griff or Chrome lead is also possible, which allows you to drop Avant from squad and use another unit. Avant offers more damage on lead skill but does not help BB gauge generation.
    - using an Avant or Griff lead is basically like what you're doing with Vanberk. Except better. Vanberk is outdated unless he gets an upgrade to the current 7* standard. Which he might, but for now stick with Avant/Griff.
    - Edea is used as 50% dmg reduction/mitigator, though mitigation would be optional if running some easier content, or stuff where you are sure squad will kill in one turn (e.g. Frontier Hunter). Adel can also mitigate but he's a spark dmg buffer, Chrome is used for spark dmg buff in this setup as Chrome also carries BB fill when squad sparks effect on SBB, which helps offset the fact that Avant lead does nothing for BB gauge.
    - Nadore in last slot is for atk/def/rec buff and BB fill when squad damaged, but you can also use some other def buffer (like Drevas) or a BB gauge management unit, probably a BC drop rate buff unit like Semira 7*, Sefia 7* or whatever. Can also bring a healer - Rinon, Ivris - in this slot if you want.

    RAID
    :dark:Chrome (Lead) + :earth:Edea (7*), :light:Nadore, :fire:Griff (optional), (last slot - Rinon/Ivris for heals, Semira/Kafka for status, or whatever you need)

    - Griff is optional in this setup because once you reach higher raid RC, you'll find that a lot of raid bosses are crit resistant. This is also why we don't generally recommend Avant/Griff as leads for higher end raid squads these days, though Avant/Griff can certainly be used for easier, lower level raid.
    - it is possible to bring an infinite self-refill SBB single target unit, but you'd probably want Oguro rather than Rowgen.
     
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    thank you for this it really helps
     
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    I have recently acquired :dark:6* Nertherking Hadaron, :thunder:5* Boltstrike Zedus, and :light:5* Scared Relics Yujeh how should I edit my team to put these guys in (or should I not edit it at all). Also my teams are how Acyl advised me to make them.
     
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    Hadaron can be used instead of Griff in the Chrome-leader raid setup I suggested. That'd be better for several reasons... single target's good for targeting raid bosses, raid bosses would resist Griff's crit dmg buff anyway, and so on.

    However for the general purpose setup with Avant leader, I'd say stick with Griff in that case. If using Avant lead you'd be up against stuff that doesn't resist crit, you want the AOE, and so on, making Griff a better choice there.

    Zedus is good, but you'd mostly be rocking Chrome/Avani + Hadaron/Griff for your spark and crit needs. It is theoretically possible to simply use Zedus rather than bringing two different units, but the thing is that Chrome carries BB fill when squad sparks as a BB/SBB buff, which is good for squad BB gauge regen (Avani has this as well, but only on her BB and not her SBB). Zedus does not have this effect, hence why I am hesitant to swap Chrome/Avani out. It's a damn good BB gauge buff.

    I do currently use Zedus in a squad setup, but I have someone else (Lafiel) to provide BB gauge when squad sparks.
     
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    So I have my team at the moment as :fire:Avant (Lead), :fire:Griff , :earth:Edea , :dark:Chrome, :light:Nadore and was wondering how to make it better.
    At the moment I am using Edea as the mitigators but would Krantz be a better pick for this role? Also I am using Griff for damage and Criticals but Would Sixgear work better for that because of his high amount of damage and lastly should Chrome be replaced with nyami because of her attack (or maybe she should replace griff).
    In the end would a team of :fire: Avant (lead), :light: Krantz, :dark: Nyami, :light: Sixgear, :light: Nadore be better then the team I have?
     
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    Apologies for belated reply. Swapping Edea for Krantz is a good idea. Gets you some heals if you need it and more element add. You lose Edea's status inflict, but in any situation where status inflict matters, you wouldn't be using Avant lead anyway.

    The rest of that is a bad idea. Actually, it's a horrible idea on many levels. The resulting squad's...borderline nonfunctional. Griff is used alongside Avant precisely because he does crit rate buff and crit dmg, Avant doesn't buff crit rate on SBB, only BB. You want to spam SBBs for an Avant squad, the whole point of the Avant setup is massive upfront damage.

    Likewise Nyami wants to be using SBB, not BB, so effectively the fact she and Avant have crit rate buff on BB is irrelevant. And using Avant lead for a squad with no SBB crit rate buff isn't a great idea, you won't be critting.

    Chrome is also required to provide spark dmg buff, sacrificing that is a bad idea, it contributes a major chunk of damage. He also helps fuel BB gauges, due to BB fill on spark.

    Really if you wanna use Nyami, she replaces Nadore in a setup like that.

    Dropping Nadore costs you BB gauge sustain and durability in multi-turn battles, but Avant lead isn't that well suited to long slugging matches anyway, unless his Omni changes things.
     
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    Thank you again for the help, as you said it didn't work and I will have to find a different way to use Nyami for a different squad.
    Switching topics I would like to ask how my situation on the arena is. Have any of the new units I have acquired able to fill in so I can have a full 7* team or should I wait for Mifune Omani and still use another 6*? Lastly I was wondering if the general team I am using is suited to running trials (and if not what changes could be made for them to handle it). Again thank you for all the help so far.
     
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    Depends on what you mean by arena. Regular arena isn't that tricky - :earth:Avani (Lead) + :light:Krantz, :dark:Feeva ... and someone else, that would be fine. More than fine. Mifune when he gets Omni, probably. Maybe Semira or whatever.

    Issue is Colosseum. With 7* and Omni units, you'd be doing Hero Colo. With these units you'll be eaten alive in Hero Colo. Effectively you need an angel idol KO resist ES unit of some kind, Ravenna, Ultor, Quartz, Isterio, Selena, Phoenix, without an angel idol user you're kinda screwed at the moment. Omni Mifune will help somewhat, assuming it's a multi Mifune squad, since you get the ability to one-shot past Ravenna/Ultor/Selena/Phoenix percentage angel idols, but Mifune isn't going to do jack shit against random proc idols like Quartz/Isterio. So I'm uncertain about Mifune Frontier in Colo, though it's true that tons of people are super-keen on it.

    Trials, yeah, Avant lead isn't very well suited for that. Okay for some trials, in others, especially later ones it's not the kind of lead skill you need. You want to tank up, take a more defensive lead skill with BB gauge boosts. I mean, fundamentally Avant isn't typically gonna appear as squad lead when it's a really super-hard boss fight.

    For easier, older trials the Avant lead can still work.

    But probably it'd be more like:
    :dark:Chrome (Lead) + :light:Krantz, :light:Nadore, :dark:Semira/Kafka (or Drevas), :dark:Nyami/Melina (or Hadaron, Avani, etc.)
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    :earth:Oguro (Lead) + :light:Krantz, :light:Nadore, :dark:Semira/Kafka (or Drevas), :earth:Avani

    Semira/Kafka/Drevas slot is for status inflict. Optional, may not be needed. Essential for some trials, not required for others. Check before bringing.

    Nyami/Melina/Hadaron/Avani is for single target focus fire. Nyami, Melina, Hadaron are single target attackers with SBB, you can use Oguro or whatever as well if you prefer. Avani is different, that is for normal hit increase, makes normal attacks (not BB, not SBB) do more damage and drop more BC/HC. This lets you keep damage up with normals, conserving BB/SBB ... may be hard to cast BB/SBB every turn in boss fights, you see, especially if boss drains BB gauges.

    Oguro's lead skill is pretty decent for boss fighting, so this is an alternative to Chrome lead.

    Some newer trial bosses, e.g. Grahdens/Owen EX, Tilith... hell, even some not so new bosses like Ark, also put restrictions on BB/SBB use. They kick your ass if you fire off too many BB/SBB on same turn. This means some units need to guard or use normal attacks. And if you need to use normal attacks anyway, well, then might as well bring Avani to buff up your normals.

    Chrome is not really an ideal lead for this stuff, but you don't have many alternate options. Squad is also not perfect - it's low on defenses, no def stack, no barrier, no heal over time. You can get some of that from friends, of course.

    Suitable friends include 7* Grahdens (for light/dark trials), Kulyuk, Randolph, Tridon, Laberd, Gazia, Averus, Juno-Seto and so on.
     
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    with this new 3 gem divine summon I have manage to get some good units such as: Dragon Shell Klaus, Librarian Allanon, and Cursed Sword Laberd. I was wondering if these units would effect my squad such as I am working on getting Krantz up to 8* should I instead work on Allanon because hes a better midigator? and would Klaus be a better leader? thanks again for all the continuous help.
     
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    Allanon is not a mitigator. "Mitigator" is a fan term, not an official one, but it refers specifically to a unit who has 50% damage reduction on BB/SBB. This means it cuts incoming damage by half. Now look at Allanon, he has 15% elemental damage reduction on BB only. This means it cuts incoming damage by 15%. I'm sure you can immediately see why one will save your ass, and why the other one won't.

    Now, because Allanon has elemental mitigation, this is classed as a different buff and he can stack it with Krantz's version. However it is NOT an additive stack, it is not 50% + 15% = 65%, the actual value is considerably less than that. But it helps a little if you want to do that.

    Klaus lead skill is a defensive lead, generally only employed in trial/GGC or dedicated boss fighting, not used for raid/quest or whatever. But this is the wrong point here, as Klaus lead skill is generally considered inferior to Laberd.

    Assuming these are the only new pulls since the last time we discussed building in this thread, which was months ago - it's possible Laberd is now your best lead skill for trial/GGC and boss battles. However there are some issues here, as his one-turn mitigation can overwrite Krantz SP two-turn mitigation if you are not careful with cast order (if bringing them in same squad). And bear in mind we're talking only trial/GGC and similar stuff anyway.
     
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    This will hopefully be the last of getting units for a while and to add to my list is Zeal and Zenia. I Know Zenia's leader skill is very good and was wondering what units should I pair with her to utilize the leader skill. Also as you were saying with Laberd his skill is better for trails and I was wondering if I could just replace Oguro with Laberd without much problem (expect for the problem with Krantz) or do I need to redue the team to better use Laberd skills? As always thanks for the help.
     
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    Zenia is not typically used as leader at the moment, because her lead skill lacks a HP increase. The HP boost from lead is fairly important in raids. Frankly Chrome or Zeal is a better lead skill than Zenia due to this. The trick is that Zenia is confirmed to get an Omni, we know it's coming. We just don't know when. We're generally expecting the devs to slap a HP increase on her lead skill at Omni, but this is really pure speculation and we do not know for sure.

    Oguro, yeah, you ought to retire him as leader (you may want him as non-lead squad member, still, depending on whether you have other single target attackers). But... Laberd... yeah, well, it depends on what friend lead you have, really. If you're rocking, I don't know, an Azurai, Tilith 7* friend (a fixed, static dmg reduction) you may not need the dmg reduction on Laberd's lead skill. Which means you might as well use Klaus lead or something there.

    It should be noted that two copies of the dmg reduction when squad takes a certain amount of damage effect, that doesn't stack. Laberd lead dmg reduction stacks with Azurai/Tilith lead, but Laberd lead doesn't stack with another Laberd, or an Omni Ark, or Averus.

    So if you're using an Omni Ark friend or something then Laberd doesn't add much as lead.
     

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