Just summoned Hisui!

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  1. parKb5

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    I've heard many good things about this guy and am wondering who I should replace on my squad.

    My squad is: Azurai (lead), Krantz, Zelnite, Elza and Alice.

    I got Azurai as my UoC and Hisui on the same day! It's a good day.
     
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    He would replace Krantz as mitigator in certain situations.
     
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    Hes really gud xd but has a lowish hp pool

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    Give him 35% stats elgif and he will rock the game
     
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    Lol not everyone has one mines uses 30% hp and def and hes lord with lowish hp xd

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    What about his SP? The 2 turn mitigation for 60 SP is a gimme, but what about the other 40 SP?
     
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    I got an Oracle Hisui, he's got the lowest HP possible. I gave him the Elgif that gives + 20% to def and HP and 20% damage resistance.
     
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    Lord, Breaker, Guardian and Oracle all have the same HP, so I guess all types other than Anima technically have the lowest HP possible. ;)
     
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    I always thought that Oracle types had minus HP and plus recovery.
     
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    That was the case originally, but was changed a long time ago. JP and Global both have +REC and -DEF for Oracle types. I believe EU still has the -HP for Oracles though.
     
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    50% def boost, clear status ailments and add guard mitigation
     
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    Thanks! Once I am done with Azurai, I will start on Hisui and I still have Quaid to work on....too much SP needed, too little energy and time.
     
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    Hisui is a better mitigator in terms of Defense so trials and raid will be much easier especially when you know an ultimate attack is coming and his ubb will help with genius challenge if your struggling with it

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    What is Genius challenge?
     
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    That's the actual name of Noel Trial EX.
     
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    Oh, I'm only up to the Tillith trial. So I guess I have a while until I need to worry about Noel.
     
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    Which is better? On overall situation, Hisui or Steingate
     
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    Hisui.

    Having Hisui alone is a massive space saver in builds. Stein doesn't offer as much potential slot compression. Hisui offers mitigation, status cleanse, basic def/rec buff, def boost relative to rec - a squad without a Hisui-style unit would more typically be devoting an entire slot for stat buffs, an entire slot for def boost relative to other stat, and so on. Consider, say, an older meta build which would need, say, a mitigator, and an Azurai/Sirius/Atro for stat buffs, and a Kulyuk/Silas/etc for def boost relative to atk. Hisui does all that in one space. We are starting to see an increasing number of units who do stat buffs and def stack in the same slot, but a lot of those still aren't mitigators anyway, and most of the units who combine stat buffs and stat boost relative to other stat must alternate BB/SBB to get all their buffs out on squad (e.g. Alice, Galtier, Melord et al.)

    This is actually also why Rain is so popular - he's a red and angrier Hisui.

    In comparison Stein covers mitigation, status cleanse, heal when squad is damaged, barrier, BB fill when squad is damaged. In principle this is not bad, but in practice a lot of Stein's kit is easy to get from other units which are likely to be squad picks anyway - BB fill when damaged is a fairly common buff - I mean, it's on, say, Zelnite, Gabriela, any number of other meta units. And barrier can be gotten from...say, Omni Ark, which is going to be a very common lead or friend unit.
     
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    but he got water shield
     
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    He does not have 'shield'. He has barrier, which is a different buff. Which I mentioned in my post, I specifically addressed the fact Stein has barrier. The fact Stein carries barrier isn't necessarily a huge advantage, because...well, Omni Ark carries it, and Omni Ark is one of the top friend/lead selections for any situation where you'd actually be relying on barrier. In any case, barrier is primarily valuable vis-a-vis the older shield buff, precisely because it inherits def stat buffs, def stack. And who does that? Hisui.

    The point is that Stein is more likely to clash with other units in squad, and his specific suite of buffs is not nearly as valuable for squad building in terms of rarity. Consider this for a moment - there are a lot of people using their UoC choice to pick a two-turn rare summon Omni mitigator. People are not choosing Stein, generally, they are almost always talking about using UoC to get Krantz or Elimo, and it is fairly common for people to complain that Hisui is not a valid UoC choice. There aren't many people who are super-excited about gunning for Stein.
     
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