Tridon, Ultor, Edea, Loch, and Alice Review

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  1. Eleiryn

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    Yes. He gets +60% total HP from his sphere+ES. He's going to be borderline immortal regardless of type.

    That said, I feel you - G Zenia on my end, so I'm just using my A Deimos lead and A Zenia friends for raid. Sure I'll use my G Zenia as lead for quests and stuff, but for raids and trials... might as well optimize right?
     
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    Boo Alrisha lol. He's still good, just not omgwtf atomic bomb level nuker lol.
     
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    Don't forget about the eventual type change. A lot of "useless" oracles and in some ppls minds guardian will be perfectly fine. After that it's gna be a no brainier to raise those types. No excuse not 2.
     
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    Oh yea, definitely haha. Loch is legit outclassed by every unit in terms of team utility. You only bring him if you want to legit blow things up but rowgen and even mifune can do the same thing and I think it's easier to fill their gauges lol.
     
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    It still should be for 7*s, especially Deimos. That massive hp bonuses are just crazy lol. And his imp caps are good from what I remember.
     
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    Most fun I've had reading a review to date, great job ^.^

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    Exvehl is a strong competitor to Alice, especially on a Tridon team. 10% more HP, status null, Ares buff.....all of that is PERFECT for a Tridon-led team. Alice might work well with Deimos, but IMO Exvehl is Tridon's homeboy.

    Other units like Alyut, the water and dark units in the new JPBF batch, Kafka, Rivera, basically any unit that converts another stat to ATK is a direct competitor. I think Alice can work in some teams, but with 7+ units coming down the pipe that directly compete with her on one front or another, I think she's going to be left in the dust within the next month.

    At least she's not totally useless for the moment. Loch got blown away because Zenia's damage is mostly on her SBB, not her LS. Alice at least will still work well on Deimos teams for the moment. However, she also has to compete with crit buffers, elemental retypers, etc. for a spot, and ATK isn't the most compelling of buffs.

    Effectively, with Deimos lead, Alice offers 160% of the value of REC to ATK. That's still about a 100-130% or so ATK buff depending on typing and base stats, but that damage boost is really far behind other more compelling buffer options. Why get a 12-16% boost when you can get 25% or more from someone else?
     
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    If you're running Tridon + Deimos I really don't think you'll need Exvehl's hp buff, no? Wouldn't Alice's convert be more beneficial at that point? 80% hp from 2 leads is kind of insane when you want to turtle up. I would think at that point Alice would be pretty valuable or Melchio, no?
     
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    Sometime I make mistakes too. :( Because in my thoughts, "why would Ultor have 300% Crit rate if it's going to be hard capped to 70% anyways". LOL

    But in any case the 300% Crit Rate will come in handy for Crit resistant boss I guess. Keeping it still capped at 70%. I still raised my Ultor first out of this batch. Still an awesome nuke.
     
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    I am lacking 7* crit, and atk buffers so she's looking like a shoe in for me for the time being. Giving damage plus ares. And the only dark 7* units I have are Aaron, and Ivris, so I think she'll work well on my Quaid arena team (been using Elza still) no good Light 7* units either. I'll give her a shot atleast. We did get a couple free legend stones.
     
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    I'm speaking of a Tridon+Zenia team. Exvehl shines with Tridon because he makes Tridon's BC drop rate buff effectively ignore BC drop resistance, and also boosts team survival along with status null.

    Alice would be fine in a Deimos+Tridon team, but you're still sacrificing damage there instead of pulling in a better damage buffer. Melchio would be pointless in such a team unless LS lock happened. Aurelia would be a much better choice over Melchio for that leader combination if you really needed the extra DEF.
     
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    You make me glad that i have Exvehl. Actually, when pulling for that Oracle Deimos and Zenia, I got Exvehl, Medina, Alyut, Altri and Raaga. So its not a total loss
     
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    Oh yeah true. Derp on the Melchio bit. But even with Tridon + Zenia. Is 40% not really enough given Tridon's shield and mitigation portion of LS?
     
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    You can never have too much HP
     
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    Yknow this is kinda random but
    Looking at 7* tridons base hp as an anima
    No sphere no ls nothing, Jack had almost as much base hp as an anima. insane health for a 6 star. An anima Jack had 7.7k hp base and anima tridon has 7.8k. Jack 7 star pls
    Also, loch isn't thaaat bad, Zenia's just op. I don't have her, so I'll be using loch until I do. He'll be a good replacement for my dilma that I'm still using.
    Don't judge me.
     
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    I still find it amusing that even though Edea's
    Item and Es are a mess and she has dumb buffs on her bb's is why she is desirable..

    The fact that she has nothing of real value for better units to over-ride

    I still want that light mitigator for l/d retype

    And btw Rinon exists, protects from debuffs without a special item, and attacks and Gives a l/d retype

    Decent character; and also let's you do whatever you want with Edea's spheres
     
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    I needed 60% against Balmedia before Deimos came along to help mitigate the ridiculous incoming damage. So yes, 50% is perfectly reasonable.
     
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    I definitely don't buy into this if you can pack in good buffs in place of it, but meh lol. Regardless Tridon is a very worthwhile unit. Even his LS contends with all of the top tier defensive LSs, and he packs a lil offensive bit. I think only the SBS have crit rate in their LSs.
     
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    Sadly buff wipe exist, and when that happen you can only rely on your unit bulk. Thats why Anima is the best typing
     
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