Zedus and Andaria review.

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  1. RainyRai

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    well
    data is out guys
    the hype
    IS INCREDIBLY FUCKING REAL.

    Ruinous Andaria:
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    • Hits/DC: 14/2
    • Cost: 40
    • Stats (L): 6750 HP / 2570 ATK / 2365 DEF / 2185 REC
    • Imps: 1100 HP / 440 ATK / 440 DEF / 440 REC
    • LS: +20% Crit Chance, 15-20% BB Cashback, +20% BB Cost Reduction
    • ES: +40% HP/ATK [Equip Bow of Andaria], +2-3 BC when Hit for 3 turns on BB/SBB [Equip Bow of Andaria]
    • BB: Cost: 27BC/25DC - 25 Hit 280% AoE (ATK+100), Cure Status/Debuffs, Invalidate Status Ailments for 3 turns, 50% Paralysis, 70% Poison
    • SBB: Cost: 26BC/28DC - 28 Hit 500% AoE (ATK+100), Invalidate Status Ailments for 3 turns, +7 BC/turn for 3 turns, +30% BB Fill Rate for 3 turns
    • UBB: Cost: 26BC/35DC - 35 Hit 1200% AoE (ATK+100), Invalidate Status Ailments for 3 turns, Cure Status/Debuffs, +50 BC/turn for 3 turns
    • Arena Type: 2
    Overview: Andaria kit didn't disappoint. Kool.
    Stats are decent all around, same with imp caps, yadda-yadda. LS was a bit disappointing, and there's not much reason to use it over Bestie.
    BB lets her cure and null status(FINALLY) and also has high innate chances for ailment infliction. Yeah, the ailment inflicts are nice, but there's not much point when these are the two of some of the most resisted ailments.
    SBB brings the power, with a top tier BB regen buff and top tier(until Lucius) Ares buff. These two buffs are both very strong, and this allows Andaria to cover a role of ailment protection and BB support; something that hasn't been done before. I do have to mention the fact that SBB has null only; it doesn't cure. This shouldn't be a problem however if your play manually, if you want to auto, yeah go look elsewhere on content with buff wipes.
    UBB is a shitty Atro ripoff, let's move on, ES boosts up HP and ATK(cool) and gives BC on hit on BB/SBB. The BC on hit buff is very coveted, but it is much weaker then all the other standard 7* units(usually sporting 4-7 BC on hit.).

    Her Friends: Andaria works well with anyone her buffs don't clash with. All units appreciate BB support and status protection.

    Her Foes: Bestie is the big dog, as she pretty much directly clashes with most of Andaria's buffs. The winner between these two isn't clear; Andaria has status protection and superior BB regen, but Bestie has better BC on hit, and BC instafill. Rivera/Nadore are also likely competitors due the obvious BC on hit clashing. Aurelia is another big contender, however due to her complete lack of status protection on SBB, they're kind of in the same boat.

    Other shit: Andaria requires her sphere for BC on hit. So if you don't mind the big stat loss, you can always just run Occult on her and then you can run Rivera/future Nadore with her.

    Usage:
    Quests are lame no one cares
    literally everywhere else likes a unit with ailment protection/infliction and BB support
    not much to be said.

    Final Verdict: 9/10 unit; Andaria is great in situations you can use her in, but her clashes and weak BC on hit buff don't allow her to be meta.
    gumi buff plz and thanks

    Imperator Zedus
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    • Hits/DC: 8/3
    • Cost: 40
    • Stats (L): 7000 HP / 2600 ATK / 2400 DEF / 2100 REC
    • Imps: 1100 HP / 440 ATK / 440 DEF / 440 REC
    • LS: +150% Crit Dmg, +80% Spark Dmg, +20% Crit Chance
    • ES: +20% All Stats [Equip Spear of Zedus], +60% Crit Chance Buff for 3 turns on BB/SBB [Equip Spear of Zedus]
    • BB: Cost: 24BC/22DC - 11 Hit 350% Thunder/Light AoE (ATK+100), +70% Spark DMG for 3 turns, +50% Elemental Weakness Dmg for 3 turns
    • SBB: Cost: 30BC/24DC - 12 Hit 600% Thunder/Light AoE (ATK+100), +80% Spark DMG for 3 turns, -50% ATK/DEF {50%} for 1 turn, +50% Crit Damage for 3 turns
    • UBB: Cost: 30BC/28DC - 14 Hit 1200% Thunder/Light AoE (ATK+100), +120% Spark DMG for 3 turns, +150% Elemental Weakness Dmg for 3 turns, +300% Crit Damage for 3 turns
    • Arena Type: 2
    ZEDUS CHRIST
    HE DIED FOR OUR SINS

    HE CREATED HUNDREDS OF LIGHTNING BOLTS
    AND LAID WASTE TO THE SECOND INVASION WITH HIS POWER
    SO SINNERS BEWARE
    FOR WITH THE REVIVAL OF OUR LORD ZEDUS
    THERE IS ONLY ONE THING THAT YOU CAN DO TO LIVE


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    REPENT MOTHERFUCKERS.
    Along to actual things,

    Overview: Zedus is god
    Zedus's LS is an amazing nuke LS: combining crit and spark damage into one is probably the second best form of raw dmg output in the game(crit + ele weakness still reigns king.) The added crit chance is nice for raids where the boss does have crit resist. The lack of BB management does suck though.

    Let's talk about his stacked kit. BB provides elemental weakness buff along his spark dmg(but less modifer dmg noo). The special thing about this elemental weakness damage buff, is that it's not like future Nadore where it's element specific; Zedus buffs all elements elemental weakness damage. It still applies to base element however.

    Let's talk about his amazing SBB: Spark damage, crit damage, and his previous amazing ATK/DEF down debuff. Just like his LS, Zedus's SBB becomes raw damage, and although he loses his role as "nuker" at 6*, he pretty much makes up for it in raw damage. The ATK/DEF down is just as great as it always was, and this also gives Zedus a niche in any content you want ATK down in, since only someone like Ruby really has the same constant ATK down.
    EDIT: Zedus DMG was upped back to 600% mod so my nuker point is moot.

    So, from the way it looks Zedus is giving Griff a pretty big run for his money, but at least Zedus doesn't buff crit rate on BB/SBB right-
    >ES
    AHAHAHAHAHA YOU GOT BEAT BY YOUR OWN TRICK GRIFF.
    Zedus effectively replaces Griff/Rhoa in the global meta, the other buffs they can provide will be covered later.

    AND LET'S NOT FORGET TO MENTION HIS UBB. like holy fucking shit you thought nemeth gear was a nuke, Zedus is way stronger then that gundam ripoff.

    The friends:
    Zedus really likes BB management folks; considering he's gonna be used with Tridon/Ark in all of hard content, the lack of BB support on LS hurts him. Units like Bestie, Andaria(HEY), and Medina are gonna be very good friends with the Lord. Hilariously, his synergy with Andaria in this regard works really well. He also gives Quaid, who was hurt badly by the Griff/Rhoa/Rivera/Krantz circlejerk of buffs a huge boost, as Quaid now provides the elements you would lack with Griff/Rhoa/Michele being removed from your squad(except for Michele dark though.) And thanks to Quaid getting a boost, you kind of want a dark/light element adder and OH WAIT LOOK IT'S FUCKING KRANTZ OUR MITIGATOR, yeah Krantz is even more great now guys. Zedus also likes BB dmg mod units that are not Zenia, so Will/Lava/Dion get some love.

    The Foes:
    Lucius is big; both compete for a slot as "DAMAGE DAMGE GO GO GO" leads in Raids, and you can't use both as lead together. However, you can easily use either as sub with one of them as lead so it doesn't really matter. Zenia is also a big competitor, as she not only carries a rivaling spark buff, but a great DPS boost in her own right. Generally, Zedus would be better for all not crit immune content, but Zenia still works very well for crit immune content(and if you dont want to bring BB support units).

    The Defeated:
    Griff/Rhoa got 50 lighting tigers thrown at their dicks: they've been hurt very hard by Zedus pretty much having most of their buffs. Sure, they're still a great lead combo, and the HP is nice, but Zedus is honestly just that good.

    Usage:
    Quests are fucking piss easy
    GQ/Trials/single target hard fights like Zedus's ATK down and spark/crit buffs.
    GGC's are the same.
    Raids think zedus should govern their life all the time.
    FH/FG cant stop the power of the UBB nukes.

    Final Verdict: 10/10, Zedus is stacked as hell with his buffs, and pretty much is only affected by the crit Exodus and BB support lack.
    also he's OP af and literally everything about him is good
    yeah HAIL ZEDUS CHRIST BABY.
    Also thank Deathmax for being cool.
    @Eleiryn could you move this to the review section after the hit of Christ and Mary? Or just move it now because this post is probably getting buried again considering General Discussion.
     
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    I feel it's important to note that as a sub unit, Zedus beats a leader Zenia in damage. Zedus as a leader offers nearly triple the damage a leader Zenia offers.

    Put that in your pipes and smoke it for a bit.

    The only real pain here would be the loss of BC Fill on Spark, but that can be managed in most cases (More Celgrads and other BB management spheres, that sort of thing).
     
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    Zedus bruh....can't wait for his sphere....Thanks to zedus...I'll actually have a reason to use my will sometimes....I'll be running tridon+zedus nd redo all the trials....just to see how it fares up against tridon+Zenia....
    "50 thunder lions on dicks" XD
    Nice review^^
     
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    Main thing with Tridon+Zedus leads is you'll have to bring probably 2 other BB management units, such as Kikuri/Medina/Andaria/Bestie/etc. That's about it though. The damage increase however will be fairly noticeable.
     
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    Am I the only one here liking Rhoa x Zedus here?

    Balance between damage and BC management, Hp boost, and they really only clashes in Spark which is one of the easiest thing to make up. Also they both have pet tiger on their back so they could tag team mow shit down with Thunder Tiger because what is better than one Thunder Tiger? ANOTHER Thunder Tiger with wings of course! Clearly Zedus fed his Tiger with Red Bull
     
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    Rhoa isn't a great pairing with Zedus, but when Savriya hits Global she and Zedus will have a party together.
     
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    The only reason to bring Rhoa with Zedus is HP(and you can actually just bring Ark for that) as Zedus already has higher spark dmg and basically makes Rhoa: add two elements to attack, spark debuff.
    Ark/Zedus is basically that, but no clashing(though the BC management is still a little low.)
     
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    Interesting enough, Grybe's 7* got a bit of a boost from Zedus. Infinite SBB unit that boosts Thunder elemental weakness damage by 150% on LS. I expect some OTK shenanigans in the future vs. Water encounters with those two.
     
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    Don't you think it'll be more than just fairly noticeable? ;)
     
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    Zedus has a lion. ..roah has a kitten.
     
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    For OTK shenanigans, Zedus will be the king instigator for a while. Combined with Kira/Dion you'll be able to wipe out most content in the game without much issue in one turn, particularly with Zedus's "OVER 9000!!!!!" UBB.
     
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    As you mentioned in another post I believe, Savia is going to make things extremely interesting when she gets here with Zedus (although I'm not a fan of the chance to things outside status infliction). Moreover, as you said the BC fill on spark be lacking at the moment leaves me pretty excited for someone like Cyan or her many different spellings. It's an awkward offset (with Zedus) if you're going the full blown more damage route, but I guess the option is there and should be fun with other teams too.
     
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    Isn't Savia that chick from latest batch that is basically nuker + attack buff combo?

    Whats special about her that Ark didn't do?
     
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    • Hits / Leader 12[​IMG] 36[​IMG] 30% HP 30% ATK (ALL) / 50% ATK 50% DEF 50% REC (BB >= 50%) (ALL)
    • BB 15[​IMG] 15[​IMG] 25[​IMG] 300% Water (AOE) / 4BC Fill 3Turns / 25% Chance Enemy receives 25% Spark DMG+ 1Turns Attack
    • Super BB 18[​IMG] 18[​IMG] 27[​IMG] 540% Water (AOE) / 25% Chance Enemy receives 25% Spark DMG+ 1Turns / 140% ATK+ (ALL) 3Turns Attack
    • Ultimate BB 23[​IMG] 23[​IMG] 25[​IMG] 1200% Water (AOE) / 100% Chance Enemy receives 50% Spark DMG+ 0Turns? / Normal HitCount +200% (120% DMG) (ALL) 3Turns Attack
    • Extra skill: 150% BB ATK%+ (SELF)
     
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    Basically, Savia not only offers the 140% ATK buff, but she also offers the spark DMG debuff that Rhoa has. This makes up for the lack of that great debuff, and also provides a strong ATK buff. In high level raids I'd run Zedus/Tridon anyways, so Savia is a great sub unit for just raw dmg.
     
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    I really dont agree with that Zedus review. Yes he looks amazing on paper, but are you really gonna replace your HP leads for Zedus in RC5 ( and 4) ?
    He doenst bring HP or BB sustain, which is a HUGE part of the power of Zenia/Rhoa + Griff.
    With Zedus you are pretty much forced to use an HP lead that isn't Griff or Rhoa, which leads to non-optimal use of the possible buffs (If you bring Bestie friend for example, which is most likely what you have to do). Dual Zedus or Zedus/Zenia wont work in RC5 and probably not in RC4 either.
    However, I think he can be really good when paired WITH Griff against non-crit resistant content where you can already spam SBB thanks to Griff's Ares and other team buffs. This is especially true for Nalda Delia (which is obviously the quest everyone runs in RC4). However the damage difference isnt that big compared to Grif/Zenia for that particular mission
    Btw, if you wanted to use Zedus lead over Griff, you lose 30% HP, Ares AND 2 elements (which are pretty important ones in Raid materials farming) and all you gain is 80% Spark damage bonus from LS. Not to mention you will most likely use Zenia/Rhoa friend anyways because the BC/spark is too important in Raid to lose it tbh
    Im not so sure Zedus is actually as good as he looks like, even tho his ATK down is a very nice bonus and his UBB obviously obliterates any other UBB in terms of nuking
     
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    You want to use Zedus/Tridon (= No form of BB sustain) in higher raids ? You might need BC buff + Ares + BC/hit for that then (Ok Andaria covers that but I really prefer Libera for the conversion buff and the elements)
    Griff, Rhoa and Zenia are not only good for their damage boost, they are good because they boost damage significantly AND help sustain BB or give HP
    However I think he might be an amazing sub in a Lucius team because he doesnt clash with Lucius like he clashes with Zenia/Rhoa
     
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    I don't think i'd care much for Spark Debuff since its kinda shit, but still 690% BB mod all the time sounds reasonable and her LS actually seems wicked in Global. 50% Rec, def and 80% ATK? wow
     
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    Zedus, Andaria, and Quaid is going to be better than Griff, Zenia, and Libera in a Tridon-led team for multi-target encounters.
     
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    Why do people keep thinking that you can't use Libera and Andaria together? Aside from her OPTIONAL weak es, they're nothing alike. She takes Auerila's spot. If you run Zedus, Libera and not Griff then you either want Exvehl's star or Andaria for the missing ares. Her sbb nullify lets Krantz focus on his sbb for burst healing every turn.

    I'm inclined to believe Zedus atk down gives more survivability than Auerila's def conversion because it protects you against buff wipes.
     
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