Zenia and Deimos Review

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  1. Eleiryn

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    7/22 edit: even with Tridon/Ultor 7* info datamined, these guys are still awesome. Deimos just has LS competition, Zenia is completely unchanged, both are excellent

    HALLELUJAH IT'S RAINING WAIFUS

    (AND HUSBANDOS)

    but for real guys, I would give Gumi a slightly inappropriate hug right now, they FINALLY fucking got global exclusives right - very strong and valuable, but pretty well balanced given some of the ridiculous shit Alim is churning out in the next 2-3 batches

    anyways, review time

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    "HALT! HAMMERZEIT" Deimos

    Overview: Can we just stop and take a moment to talk about how awesome our glorious lord and savior Deimos looks? Seriously, he's fucking up pillars for some reason, his hammer looks like it's about to actually crack a planet, and his armor is friggin' sweet. All the blue/gold lightning shit actually works for him too, a rarity given Gumi/Alim's hardon for effects that obscure everything, but for him I can actually SEE what he looks like.

    Oh and uh on an unrelated note Deimos is really fucking strong and this review is pretty much going to be me talking about how good he is. How's THAT for an overview?

    Strengths
    • High DC on basic attack (36)
    • Fantastic survivability LS, immunity+monstrous HP
    • LS also offers very competitive BC on hit - can remove need for Kikuri/Medina/Vesti in some situations
    • SBB offers a dizzying amount of utility; lowers reliance on 100-140% def buffers overall and synergizes amazingly with def conversion buffs
    • Taunt on a guy THIS tanky is actually really good for general use, especially with squishy friends in raids
    • UBB is solid for burst nuking

    Weaknesses
    • SBB is slightly above average cost (50 vs ~45-50)
    • Despite husbando qualities, is not actually real
    • Too handsome, other skanks will try to take him

    Roles
    Arena

    • Fantastic DC on basic attack, AOE BB that also taunts, incredibly difficult to actually kill due to ridiculous ES and insane base stats
    • ES is worth noting in particular, makes him pretty much immortal even against earth stuff like the ever-common Quaid
    • Actually a pretty decent defensive arena lead too - definitely beats the shit out of Griel here. 40% HP+immunity is great
    • Best use is as a sub though, either as a rare GOOD thunder sub in a rainbow or just a general use sub in a Toutetsu/Ultor/etc type generic team
    • 10/10 sub, 7/10 lead

    Raid
    • Deimos was fucking BORN for raid supremacy
    • LS is fantastic for raid, Deimos+Zenia is IMO one of the best possible combos currently, immunity+insane HP is great
    • To extrapolate a bit, in RC5 it's common to run Raaga+a survivability lead (Kanon etc). Deimos+Zennia is that, but WAY better
    • SBB also incredibly valuable. Def buff is generally enough and works well with Edea, atk/rec are nice, 390% self defense buff means he can casually tank single target attacks forever to keep squishies alive better
    • Rec buff also means he has great synergy with Aurelia as a sub, will give you pretty much unreal survivability
    • Slightly fucked against HP% stuff but those are rarely more than 1/turn so it's not REALLY a problem
    • Overall he just has incredible slot efficiency and USEFUL efficiency at that, easy to fit into almost any team
    • Not that important in Elimo/Deus teams though, and fairly neutral (though not bad!) with Aaron
    • 10/10 lead, 10/10 sub

    Trials
    • LS is even better here than usual, though be aware of LS negation stuff that's becoming relatively common
    • BC on hit ensures he can ALWAYS spam BB and often SBB with decent BC support; can spam SBB easily in most trials
    • ...And Taunt+100% def/atk/rec+40% team hp+team immunity is NOT bad slot efficiency
    • His ES REALLY shines here as well, helps him survive giant nukes or (with angel idol) tank unsurvivable nukes for friends
    • Unlike Ultor, Deimos actually brings fantastic utility outside of taunt, so this is really REALLY useful
    • As Ultor already proved, taunt+tankiness can easily break many boss fights. Deimos just does it much, MUCH better.
    • 10/10 lead, 10/10 sub

    Frontier Hunter
    • ...Alright, he had to be meh SOMEWHERE.
    • Unfortunately, FH's unique blend of ease of survival, general lack of threatening STBBs, and value of high hit counts means Deimos is kinda meh here
    • Not BAD per se, you can still use him, just there are generally better options for both lead (BC gen) and sub
    • 6/10

    Synergies
    • Mitigators without defense/attack buffs (Edea, Krantz, etc) or with bad ones (Aaron, Shera) really like having a free usable def buff
    • Atk->def and rec->def conversion buffers really like having free atk/rec buffs without having to faff about with shit like Feeva BB
    • On that note, ->def conversion buffers also work very well WITH him, allowing you to pull 170+ def buffs without Kanon or Elimo
    • BC on hit buffers help ensure that he can SBB every turn forever except in VERY heavy BC drain situations
    • Deimos+Aurelia is gonna be fairly stupid, especially once her 7* hits. +100% rec, on a 70% conversion, means that she's already singlehandedly a 140% defense buffer. Add to his 100% - 240% bonus defense forever. Only gets dumber with 7* Tridon lead possibly breaking +300% depending on buff order.

    Overall
    • Deimos is an incredibly versatile and powerful unit who specializes in supporting and protecting the rest of your team
    • LS and SBB both bring so much utility you can pretty much fit him anywhere
    • Future prospects look fairly bright; while 7* Tridon will probably beat him as a survivability lead, and Ultor MIGHT be on par/better as a taunter, he does both at once, and Taunt is still global exclusive. Having a tri-stat buff attached to all that is really good too, makes him easy to fit into almost any squad
    • Final rating: 10/10.


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    "WAIFUBOT 9000 REPORTING FOR DUTY" Zenia

    Overview: In keeping with Gumi's strong showing with SBS units overall, Zenia both LOOKS amazing and /is/ amazing. Art might be a little overdone, but her stats and skills more than make up for it, turning her into a nightmarish fusion of Loch, Lava, and Raaga that is far more than the sum of her parts. She's probably the best DPS oriented unit in the game, at least until certain JP units give her competition (Loa/Roa as a survivability alternative, for example). Hell, if you count her BB multiplier buff (LS and/or SBB) she actually shits on Mifune damage wise, though unfortunate timing on her SBB buff means that it doesn't go into effect on her second SBB. And unlike Mifune, she has some survivability - and a LOT of utility, and even more team damage amp. Seriously, this girl makes crit damage buffers look a little less sexy, she can almost double damage singlehandedly just from the BB/atk buffs, add in spark buff and she's going to be on par with or better than Colt/non-optimized Kira and other simialr options - and unlike them, she doesn't give a single fuck about crit damage resistance/immunity.

    Strengths
    • An absolutely terrifying damage/sustain LS - very similar overall in damage output to Raaga... but attached to a MUCH better unit.
    • SBB is probably the strongest overall damage amp SBB in the entire game bar nothing, a competitive spark buff attached to a massive multiplier buff, all on a well above average damage multiplier and BC gen attack. While some others might come close in theory (Loch, Reyes, etc) they generally suffer from the situationalness of crit damage or cost way too much or are very hit/miss on sparking; Zenia's really just has no weaknesses
    • While I've mostly been talking damage so far, her LS's BC on hit is extremely powerful as well and VERY meta for most upcoming content.
    • +1 hitcount ES and fantastic basic attack DC (39) attached to Mifune-level attack also make her pretty fucking terrifying in the basic attack meta
    • Speaking of which, her UBB is one of the few legitimately REALLY friggin' good ones. +2 basic attack hitcount is ridiculous, attaching it to a 250% attack buff is even more ridiculous, and adding in a 500% BB mod buff just means that anyone stuck using BBs are still gonna do unreal damage
    • PHENOMENAL BC gen on basic attack (78) - this is some Vesti level shit. SBB is a little above average too.
    • Fleshy mounds of justice

    Weaknesses
    • Unlike Raaga BB, she misses BC/HC droprate buffs, which means that replacing him with her does require accounting for that
    • Most likely Tridon will have one or both, Aurelia is also a good possibility; for now that means Feeva/Griel/Elimo etc are highly valued with her
    • Celgrad spheres are a perfectly legitimate solution as well; 15% BC/HC is more or less a free Raaga BB
    • Offers absolutely no defensive utility and is a little squishy herself; does need a little protecting
    • Safety First

    Roles
    Arena

    • Great basic attack DC, great element (unresisted), great LS (good attack round 1, 100% guaranteed round 2 wipe), phenomenal base attack, +1 hit ES
    • ...And a single-target BB.
    • Ouch.
    • Still a pretty good dark option, she's basically guaranteed to delete someone round 1 and again on 2, just not gonna 100% oneshot entire team
    • Quaid, upcoming Michele, most likely Ultor tomorrow, etc. all provide fierce competition for lead slot
    • As a sub, she's up against mostly Kikuri and to some degree Magress, who have AOE but much less BC gen/raw damage
    • Overall very solid but not auto best in slot for arena
    • 8/10 lead, 9/10 sub

    Raid
    • You know how Raaga is good for raids? Zenia is better.
    • Seriously - the team damage amp she brings as a sub is completely unrivaled, and her uses as lead are just as varied and powerful as Raaga
    • There are very few situations where having one Zenia lead (preferably paired with some tanky lead) isn't your best possible option
    • While raids do tend to have a lot of elemental retyping so it's not a HUGE deal, good element in general, about on par with Raaga there
    • One relatively minor downside is that again, no Raaga BC/HC buffs, but those are pretty common anyways (and with 7* Tridon, probably guaranteed)
    • 10/10 lead, 10/10 sub

    Trials
    • Zenia belongs to the esteemed Rosetta/Raaga "fuck your HP breakpoints" school of thought, being only useful (but VERY useful within that niche) at burning down bosses incredibly quickly
    • She's decent at just speeding up boss kills with a normal team, but really shines as a lead (as usual, combo'd with a tanky one) to keep SBBs full and kill speed very high
    • On some trials/bosses you can just go full fucking retard with double Zenia and burn them down in 5-7 turns
    • 9/10 for normal squad usage and breakpoint burns, 10/10 for blitzkrieg squads
    • Just be aware that unlike Raaga, she's going to get her ass rekt HARD in Ark trial due to element, rip

    FH
    • OH BABY A TRIPLE
    • Seriously though, Zenia REALLY shines in 1TKO teams, even double Zenia is great here. Fantastic BC control, insane damage, and then even more damage
    • Absolutely terrible for 3TKO stuff though, you can't turn that insane damage off, even basic attack is a small nuke
    • REALLY good for FH mid farming as well, basically a MUCH better Mifune
    • Personally I just run 1TKO autobattle FH since fuck farming, so I don't really care about 3TKO, but for FH specialists make a careful decision
    • 10/10 for 1TKO, 5/10 at best for 3TKO, 9-10/10 for FH mid

    Synergies
    • Pretty much her only real downside is being a bit squishy, so Zenia really likes people who help keep her alive
    • Taunters like Deimos help a fair bit, as do AOE defense buffers (hi again Deimos) or folks like Kanon/Elimo/etc
    • 'Free' HP options like Tridon or conversion defense buffers like Aurelia/Melchio also work wonderfully for her
    • In terms of synergizing WITH her, you mostly want people with high hit counts and decent animations; same as Raaga, Zenia punishes 1-hit-wonders like Loch and Deus hard, even worse for people like Elimo who don't even attack. People with shitty animations (Darvanshel) are shit outta luck.
    • That means that mitigation wise you're pretty much locked to Edea/Shera/Aaron/Krantz if you want to use her as lead, which isn't a bad thing per se, but is important to keep in mind
    • If you're using Zenia as a sub, ignore the above points, she works great with pretty much everyone

    Overall
    • A dominatingly powerful offensive option who offers more 'true' damage than almost anyone in her competition; only Raaga can really compete and he's even more limited in who he can bring along since at least folks like Deus get plenty of benefit from Zenia's myriad BB damage buffs, whereas Raaga only offers spark damage.
    • SITUATIONALLY crit damage leads can beat her but again, situational, and the extreme commonness of crit damage/chance resistance means that Zenia is far more reliable
    • Squishy enough to require a little thought in terms of keeping her alive, but tanky enough that it isn't a serious issue
    • Future prospects are fairly bright; Loa is likely to be her first actual competitor (MUCH lower damage, but 30% HP on LS alongside the same BC on spark), but really I don't think there are any other current or upcoming leads that really beat her as a damage/BC sustain lead consistently
    • Final rating: 10/10
     
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2015
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    First!! XD XD .. sorry :oops: great review! :p Will be digesting this in more detail later
     
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    Good stuff as always.

    I got both in lords... Short on Dark exp right now though, running Deimos lead/ Zennia sub for Raid...

    That combo is so dirty I'm having trouble deciding who actually brings something these two don't in the other 3 slots.
    Gonna try Aaron and Quaid later...

    Grah/Rinon?
    Twincest Team?
    single target nuker?

    I hope their spheres are good
     
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    Anima Deimos and Guardian Zenia for me - wish I could switch the types but I'll make do haha, better a good unit in a merely good type than no unit in a better type.

    I think that Deimos+Zenia leads are arguably just about the strongest combo on global right now for a lot of content, they just do SO MUCH and bring so much, and it lets you EASILY fill out the rest of your team with basically whatever the fuck you want. Really great overall. Melchio/Aurelia 7* will let Deimos reach even greater peaks too... overall even if Ultor/Tridon outclass Deimos as survivability/taunter I think he's gonna be an absolutely wonderful unit for a LONG time.
     
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    Talk about awesomeness in a can.

    Jap server players better beware. (And they better keep'em exclusive cuz I don't want a BS incident like with Halloween units)
     
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    not impressed with mr. deimos
     
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    I'm seriously thinking about bringing Alpha because all he does is hurt things... I don't know what else to do with my life lol

    Melchio definitely would be at home
    Kinda makes me less excited for super building
    Makes me want the light mitigator more
     
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    I learned a new lesson today. Never fist android grills. Thanks O̶b̶a̶m̶a Ele!

    Both of them are so good. If i have 500 gems, i'll use it to summon both of them and i can forget about Vesti/Besti.
     
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    Why not?
     
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    Yup. I'm way more fond of Global exclusive content, even if slightly worse. Here, they look extremely meta and are boss-looking units. I want them both so bad, I have Deimos. Thanks Gumi! I might just make my squad Global exclusive and say FU JPBF :rolleyes:
     
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    +1 for CoD reference. I wish I could +2 for random tags.

    Great review as always! :p
     
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    So would it be better to summon for these two now or save for Godly RS/upcoming 7*'s?
     
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    Any point in having two Zenia's?
     
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    After a long list of OK exclusive units, suddenly gumi makes this wow units, now I can't wait to see the rest of souls bound saga units

    Elaine and grandt are nothing compared to this 2, and i cant wait to see the other 2 exclusieve 7 stars, (light and water)
     
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    Great review, though in this case there isn't much bad to say about either unit lol. Gumi made some powerhouses here. Funny stuff and very thorough as usual though. Also congrats on your Deimos and Zenia. May Deimos be your forever lead my favorite flist person :p
     
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    Great review as always.
     
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    Nice nice very nice indeed. I have anime zenia and guardian demios so I think I'm set
     
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    In one team, no

    GQ yes
     

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